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 |Transcription=Port or place of Berghen in Norway and thence to returne to London in and upon which Voiage this
 examinate was entertained to serve in and aboard the said shipp in
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 denmarke and against his Subjects and their shipps and
 (goods
 |People=<u>John Shorter</u>
 John (later, Sir John) Shorter (b. ?, d. ca. 1688), London merchant. William Warren and John Shorter had a commercial relationship since at least as early as 1661.<ref>PROB 11/392 Exton 87-130 Will of Sir John Shorter, Lord Mayor of the City of London 19 September 1688; "Sept. 30th 1661. Petition from Sir William Warren, Kt., Vincent Delabarr and John Shorter, merchants, for discharge of the ship "Joseph," of London, seized under the Navigation Act. Referred: to the Customs Commissioners. (Ibid. IX. p. 95.)" ([http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=80021#s1 William A. Shaw (ed.), 'Minute Book: September 1661', Calendar of Treasury Books, Volume 1: 1660-1667 (1904), pp. 158-161, viewed 10/04/12)]; ADM 106/291 Folio 371. Sir William Warren, John Shorter. Notes on his contract and concerning timber sent to Portsmouth. 1673 Dec. 8 Wapping</ref>
 |Primary sources=<u>Hearth Tax</u>
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 '''John Shorter  8 hearths'''<ref>John Shorter.  Just possibly John (later Sir John) Shorter (b. ?, d. ca. 1688), London timber merchant and partner of Sir William Warren (PROB 11/392 Exton 87-130 Will of Sir John Shorter, Lord Mayor of the City of London 19 September 1688)</ref>
 |Secondary sources='''Oxford University, Bodleian Library, Special Collections and Western Manuscripts'''
 [http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=161-msscarte_7&cid=8-109&kw=thomas%20tyte#8-109 Oxford University, Bodleian Library, Special Collections and Western Manuscripts: Carte Papers [MS. Carte 53 - MS. Carte 63]: Papers (chiefly copies) of the 1st duke of Ormonde, relating to the public affairs of Ireland, chiefly 1662-1690 but some earlier  MS. Carte 60  17th-18th cent.:]
 - The Case of Sir John Shorter and others, against Thomas Tyte[?] and others, Commissioners appointed by the King for distributing the £35,000, paid by the Hamburghers [in compensation for the loss of certain ships belonging to British subjects]: written from [Whitehall]  MS. Carte 60, fol(s). 242  28 June 1676
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 further to this Interrogatorie hee saith not./
-To the sowerth Interrogatorie hee saith, That shortly after the Lading
+To the fowerth Interrogatorie hee saith, That shortly after the Lading
 of the said goods wares and merchandises, and particularly about
 three saies after, as hee now remembreth, the said shipp did sett

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 To the sowerth Interrogatorie hee saith, That shortly after the Lading
-of teh said goods wares and merchandises, and particularly about
+of the said goods wares and merchandises, and particularly about
 three saies after, as hee now remembreth, the said shipp did sett
 saile with the same from the said Port of London for Berghen

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	John (later, Sir John) Shorter (b. ?, d. ca. 1688), London merchant. William Warren and John Shorter had a commercial relationship since at least as early as 1661.<ref>PROB 11/392 Exton 87-130 Will of Sir John Shorter, Lord Mayor of the City of London 19 September 1688; "Sept. 30th 1661. Petition from Sir William Warren, Kt., Vincent Delabarr and John Shorter, merchants, for discharge of the ship "Joseph," of London, seized under the Navigation Act. Referred: to the Customs Commissioners. (Ibid. IX. p. 95.)" ([http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=80021#s1 William A. Shaw (ed.), 'Minute Book: September 1661', Calendar of Treasury Books, Volume 1: 1660-1667 (1904), pp. 158-161, viewed 10/04/12)]; ADM 106/291 Folio 371. Sir William Warren, John Shorter. Notes on his contract and concerning timber sent to Portsmouth. 1673 Dec. 8 Wapping</ref>		John (later, Sir John) Shorter (b. ?, d. ca. 1688), London merchant. William Warren and John Shorter had a commercial relationship since at least as early as 1661.<ref>PROB 11/392 Exton 87-130 Will of Sir John Shorter, Lord Mayor of the City of London 19 September 1688; "Sept. 30th 1661. Petition from Sir William Warren, Kt., Vincent Delabarr and John Shorter, merchants, for discharge of the ship "Joseph," of London, seized under the Navigation Act. Referred: to the Customs Commissioners. (Ibid. IX. p. 95.)" ([http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=80021#s1 William A. Shaw (ed.), 'Minute Book: September 1661', Calendar of Treasury Books, Volume 1: 1660-1667 (1904), pp. 158-161, viewed 10/04/12)]; ADM 106/291 Folio 371. Sir William Warren, John Shorter. Notes on his contract and concerning timber sent to Portsmouth. 1673 Dec. 8 Wapping</ref>
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		+	\|Primary sources=<u>Hearth Tax</u>
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		+	Duchy of Lancaster Liberty (Savoy & Somerset)
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		+	The Dutchy Lyberty in the Strand pt in ye Parrish of St Mary Savoy & pt in St Clements Danes./ Temple Barr Ward.
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		+	'''John Shorter 8 hearths'''<ref>John Shorter. Just possibly John (later Sir John) Shorter (b. ?, d. ca. 1688), London timber merchant and partner of Sir William Warren (PROB 11/392 Exton 87-130 Will of Sir John Shorter, Lord Mayor of the City of London 19 September 1688)</ref>
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		+	\|Secondary sources='''Oxford University, Bodleian Library, Special Collections and Western Manuscripts'''
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		+	[http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=161-msscarte_7&cid=8-109&kw=thomas%20tyte#8-109 Oxford University, Bodleian Library, Special Collections and Western Manuscripts: Carte Papers [MS. Carte 53 - MS. Carte 63]: Papers (chiefly copies) of the 1st duke of Ormonde, relating to the public affairs of Ireland, chiefly 1662-1690 but some earlier MS. Carte 60 17th-18th cent.:]
		+	- The Case of Sir John Shorter and others, against Thomas Tyte[?] and others, Commissioners appointed by the King for distributing the £35,000, paid by the Hamburghers [in compensation for the loss of certain ships belonging to British subjects]: written from [Whitehall] MS. Carte 60, fol(s). 242 28 June 1676

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		+	==Additional Sources==
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		+	<u>TNA</u>
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		+	'''ADM'''
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		+	ADM 106/291 Folio 371. Sir William Warren, John Shorter. Notes on his contract and concerning timber sent to Portsmouth. 1673 Dec. 8 Wapping
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		+	'''HCA'''
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		+	HCA 13/129, no folio no., recto (Signatures of John Shorter, XXXX, and William Warren)
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		+	'''PROB'''
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		+	PROB 11/392 Exton 87-130 Will of Sir John Shorter, Lord Mayor of the City of London 19 September 1688
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		+	'''State Papers'''
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		+	"Sept. 30th 1661. Petition from Sir William Warren, Kt., Vincent Delabarr and John Shorter, merchants, for discharge of the ship "Joseph," of London, seized under the Navigation Act. Referred: to the Customs Commissioners. (Ibid. IX. p. 95.)" ([http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=80021#s1 William A. Shaw (ed.), 'Minute Book: September 1661', Calendar of Treasury Books, Volume 1: 1660-1667 (1904), pp. 158-161, viewed 10/04/12)]
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		+	Replication of Sir John Shorter and others, owners concerned in the 4 ships taken and destroyed by the Dutch in the Elbe, to the answer of Sir William Holcroft, Thomas Tyte, Thomas Farrington and Edward Deering. They believe Sir W. Holcroft, Sir Philip Lloyd and Mr. Thomson have acted only as commissioners and not as proprietors, and it is likewise confessed that Tyte, Dering, Farrington and Bancks were interested in the said loss and Bancks is a petitioner with Sir J. Shorter. But the repliants deny that the four respondents have signed all just warrants, and say that, instead of reserving the sums allotted to the just claimants, they have assumed a power to give large sums as particular gratuities, viz., 500l. to the said Tyte and 250l. to Samuel Missenden, and they deny that they say in their petition that the Judge of the Admiralty had allowed 1,340l. 9s. 4d., whereas they do apply that sum to the order and instructions of his Majesty in Council, ordering that as to the freight provision should be made for the satisfaction thereof in such moderate proportion as may all come within the said sum. As to the error pretended in the account, though the repliants have no reason to apprehend there was one, they take themselves not to be concerned therein, being only owners of the ships, and their sum of 1,340l. 9s. 4d. being particularly mentioned to be distributed for the freights with equality to each owner. As to their pretending no interest or satisfaction for loss of market is considered to them, the repliants would think it very happy for their loss to receive but one-third of their principal freight, whereas all other interessants have received their full satisfaction, which had the repliants received, they had received a great deal more than the sums allotted them. Whereas they pretend the ships never performed their voyage, and therefore would debar them of their freight, the repliants cannot imagine they should be so unreasonable as to let the repliants be losers of that little freight allowed, they having received all their demands in full.
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		+	The repliants therefore again beg his Majesty to reinforce his instructions for their relief in the payment of the said 1,340l. 9s. 4d. so due to them for freight, and that a day may be appointed for them to be heard and relieved. [Ibid. No. 16.]"<ref>F. H. Blackburne Daniell (ed.),'Charles II: April 1676', Calendar of State Papers Domestic: Charles II, 1676-7 (1909), pp. 55-95. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=57347 Date accessed: 26 December 2011</ref>

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 putt and laden in and aboard the said shipp in the River of
 Thames by or on the behalfe of the said John Shorter, consisting
-in a qquantity of salt, some woollen cloath, a quantity of malt,
+in a quantity of salt, some woollen cloath, a quantity of malt,
 some hogsheads of strong beere, a quantitie of pease, some Castor hatts in a
 deepe Chest, fower baggs or thereabouts of nailes, five baggs