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|Language skills=English language,
|Res street=Shadwell
|Res county=Middlesex
|Res country=England
|Birth year=1618
|Deposition start page(s)=HCA 13/72 f.463r Annotate,
|Deposition date(s)=Nov 8 1658
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==Biographical synthesis==
Simon Messenger (alt. Symon, Messinger) (b. ca. 1618; d.?>1666). Cooper.

Resident in Shadwell in Middlesex in 1658. Still resident in Shadwell at the time of the 1666 Hearth Tax returns, when "Simon Messenger" was recorded living in Shadwell with a property of four hearths.<ref>'Hearth Tax: Middlesex 1666, Stepney , Shadwell Hamlet (1 of 2)', in London Hearth Tax: City of London and Middlesex, 1666 (2011), British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/london-hearth-tax/london-mddx/1666/stepney-shadwell-hamlet-1, viewed 12/08/2016</ref>

==Evidence from High Court of Admiralty==
Forty year old Simon Messenger deposed on November 8th 1658 in the High Court of Admiralty. He was examined on an allegation on behalfe of Watson and Howe in the case of "Warren agains Watson and How".<ref>[[HCA 13/72 f.463r Annotate|HCA 13/72 f.463r]]</ref>

The case concerned the size of Virginia tonnage of tobacco relative to other commodities and to other sources of tobacco.

==Comment on sources==
1666 Hearth Tax: The Hamlett of Shadwell in the Parish of Stepney./ Upper Shadwell Northside./ Cutthroate Lane
...Simon Messenger 4 (hearths)..."<ref>'Hearth Tax: Middlesex 1666, Stepney , Shadwell Hamlet (1 of 2)', in London Hearth Tax: City of London and Middlesex, 1666 (2011), British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/london-hearth-tax/london-mddx/1666/stepney-shadwell-hamlet-1, viewed 12/08/2016</ref>

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 Two christenings are recorded in the register of the parish of Saint Dunstan, Stepney, for children of Simon Messenger and Maudlin Powell. The first is of Margaret Messenger (June 10th 1635) and the second for Simon Messeneger (November 13th 1637). The son, Simon Messenger, is recorded in burials in the same parish on July 21st 1638.
-A second marriage of a "Symon Messenger" to Dammeris Feringe, dated January 1st 1644, is recorded in the parish of Saint Olave Southwark. It is unclear if this is for Simon Messenger, cooper, the subject of this profile.
+A second marriage of a "Symon Messenger" to Dammeris Feringe, dated January 1st 1644, is recorded in the parish of Saint Olave Southwark. It is unlikely this is for Simon Messenger, cooper, the subject of this profile, since there is a probate index record for "Symon Messenger" of Saint Olave, Southwarke, dated 1658.<ref>[http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=JSg138&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&new=1&gsfn=simon&gsln=messenger&rank=1&gss=angs-c&pcat=EPR&h=1085354&recoff=3%204&db=UKprobate&indiv=1&ml_rpos=10 Ancestry.com. UK, Extracted Probate Records, 1269-1975 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2009</ref>
 Resident in Shadwell in Middlesex in 1658. Still resident in Shadwell at the time of the 1666 Hearth Tax returns, when "Simon Messenger" was recorded living in Shadwell with a property of four hearths.<ref>'Hearth Tax: Middlesex 1666, Stepney , Shadwell Hamlet (1 of 2)', in London Hearth Tax: City of London and Middlesex, 1666 (2011), British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/london-hearth-tax/london-mddx/1666/stepney-shadwell-hamlet-1, viewed 12/08/2016</ref>

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 ==Biographical synthesis==
-Simon Messenger (alt. Symon, Messinger) (b. ca. 1618; d.?>1666). Cooper.
+Simon Messenger (alt. Symon, Messinger) (b. ca. 1618, poss earlier; m. ?1634, ?Maudlin Powell; d.?>1666). Cooper.
 Resident in Shadwell in Middlesex in 1658. Still resident in Shadwell at the time of the 1666 Hearth Tax returns, when "Simon Messenger" was recorded living in Shadwell with a property of four hearths.<ref>'Hearth Tax: Middlesex 1666, Stepney , Shadwell Hamlet (1 of 2)', in London Hearth Tax: City of London and Middlesex, 1666 (2011), British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/london-hearth-tax/london-mddx/1666/stepney-shadwell-hamlet-1, viewed 12/08/2016</ref>
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 ==Comment on sources==
 Hearth Tax: The Hamlett of Shadwell in the Parish of Stepney./ Upper Shadwell Northside./ Cutthroate Lane
 ...Simon Messenger 4 (hearths)..."<ref>'Hearth Tax: Middlesex 1666, Stepney , Shadwell Hamlet (1 of 2)', in London Hearth Tax: City of London and Middlesex, 1666 (2011), British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/london-hearth-tax/london-mddx/1666/stepney-shadwell-hamlet-1, viewed 12/08/2016</ref>

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 |Res country=England
 |Birth year=1618
 |Deposition start page(s)=HCA 13/72 f.463r Annotate,
 |Deposition date(s)=Nov 8 1658
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 |Has HCA evidence completed=No
 |Has source comment completed=No
-|Type of ship=Merchant ship
+|Type of ship=Shore based trade
 |Role in Silver Ship litigation=None
 }}
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 ==Evidence from High Court of Admiralty==
-Forty year old Simon Messenger deposed on November 8th 1658 in the High Court of Admiralty. He was examined on an allegation on behalfe of Watson and Howe in the case of "Warren agains Watson and How".<ref>[[HCA 13/72 f.463r Annotate|HCA 13/72 f.463r]]</ref>
+'''November 1658'''
 The case concerned the size of Virginia tonnage of tobacco relative to other commodities  and to other sources of tobacco.
 An allegation dated XXX and d
-The proctor of Thomas Middleton in his name and as executor of the last will and testament of Peeter Silvester deceased against Symon Messinger, Robert Hooker, George Younge, Samuell Hill, John Hawes, Thomas Thompson, William Thomson, Henry Reynols, John Grannt, Elizabeth Thompson RElict and Executrix or adminstratrix of Henry Thompson deceased, Peeter ?Crompton and Edward Thompson".
+The proctor of Thomas Middleton in his name and as executor of the last will and testament of Peeter Silvester deceased against Symon Messinger, Robert Hooker, George Younge, Samuell Hill, John Hawes, Thomas Thompson, William Thomson, Henry Reynols, John Grannt, Elizabeth Thompson Relict and Executrix or adminstratrix of Henry Thompson deceased, Peeter ?Crompton and Edward Thompson".
 Allegation identifies the defendants as the part owners of the ship the ''Two Sisters'' betwen 1655 and 1657. The owners appointed Henry Thompson as master and commander ofthe same ship. A voyage was agreed to Jameca (i.e. Jamaica) and other ports and places beyond the saeas and then to Barbados and back to London. About 30 mariners were to go and serve on the ship. Phillipp Gorrell was appointed to goe as masters ?mate in the ship. The ship proceeded on its voyage, arriving first in New England and then in Barbados.<ref>HCA 24/111 Item 156: IMG_112_10_3875 & 3856</ref>
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 ==Comment on sources==
 Hearth Tax: The Hamlett of Shadwell in the Parish of Stepney./ Upper Shadwell Northside./ Cutthroate Lane
 ...Simon Messenger 4 (hearths)..."<ref>'Hearth Tax: Middlesex 1666, Stepney , Shadwell Hamlet (1 of 2)', in London Hearth Tax: City of London and Middlesex, 1666 (2011), British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/london-hearth-tax/london-mddx/1666/stepney-shadwell-hamlet-1, viewed 12/08/2016</ref>

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 |Has opening text=Simon Messinger
 |Has signoff text=Simon Messenger
-|Transcription image={{#transcription-image: }}
+|Transcription image={{#transcription-image:  }}
 |Language skills=English language,
 |Res street=Shadwell
 |Res county=Middlesex
 |Res country=England