Spanish West Indies - Revision history

ColinGreenstreet: /* Nova Cartagena */

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‎Nova Cartagena

ColinGreenstreet: /* La Vera Cruz in Nova Hispania */

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‎La Vera Cruz in Nova Hispania

ColinGreenstreet: /* Places named in depositions */

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‎Places named in depositions

ColinGreenstreet: /* La Vera Cruz in Nova Hispania */

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‎La Vera Cruz in Nova Hispania

ColinGreenstreet: /* La Vera Cruz in Nova Hispania */

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‎La Vera Cruz in Nova Hispania

ColinGreenstreet: /* La Vera Cruz in Nova Hispania */

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‎La Vera Cruz in Nova Hispania

ColinGreenstreet: /* Research questions */

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‎Research questions

ColinGreenstreet: /* ?Varinas */

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‎?Varinas

ColinGreenstreet: /* Portobelo [alt. Porto Bello; Porto Ballo] */

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‎Portobelo [alt. Porto Bello; Porto Ballo]

ColinGreenstreet: /* Panama */

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‎Panama

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+See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartagena,_Colombia Wikipedia entry: Cartagena, Colombia]
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 ===La Vera Cruz in Nova Hispania===

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 - Roderigo Alonzo, a Cadiz merchant, deposed in support of Lorenzo de Veles that "hee this deponent came from the said Indies in the same fleete with him, and sawe him in the possession thereof at Vera Cruz in Nova Hispania where and in other parts of the Indies hee gained the same with traffique and merchandize, and at vera Cruz this deponent sawe him imbarque the same aboard the Admirall of the Spanish fleete bound for Cales, and at vera Cruz this deponent helped the producent to sewe up the said plate and mark the same, and helped to tell and sawe the telling of all the said peeces of eight, assisting therein the said producent, who assisted him in the like occasion"<ref>[[HCA 13/69 Silver 5 f.7v Annotate|HCA 13/69 Silver 5 f.7v]]</ref> Note that Lorenzo de Veles, a merchant of Dunkirk, living in Indies and at Cadiz "as occasion offers" appears to have moved around the Spanish West Indies. For example, "this deponent [Lorenzo de Veles] saw all and singular the before mentioned sylver in the possession of the sayd Arangall and Mannrga att Mexico in the Indies where they bought the sylver"<ref>[IMG_118_07_2759]</ref> and carried cases of bon lace of Flanders to Nova Hispania for Abraham van Hembeck of Antwerpen<ref>[IMG_118_07_2773]]</ref>
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 CHECK whether "Marachio" = modern "Maracaibo", a city near the coast of modern Venezuela
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 - "the sayd producent [EDITOR: Caracas resident merchant Anthonye de Ponte] departed from La Vera Cruz about the month of May, sett sayle from the Havana in June, and arrived att Cadize aforesayd about the latter end of July 1652"<ref>[[HCA 13/69 Silver 1 f.8v Annotate|HCA 13/69 Silver 1 f.8v]]</ref>
-- Roderigo Alonzo, a Cadiz merchant, deposed in support of Lorenzo de Veles that "hee this deponent came from the said Indies in the same fleete with him, and sawe him in the possession thereof at Vera Cruz in Nova Hispania where and in other parts of the Indies hee gained the same with traffique and merchandize, and at vera Cruz this deponent sawe him imbarque the same aboard the Admirall of the Spanish fleete bound for Cales, and at vera Cruz this deponent helped the producent to sewe up the said plate and mark the same, and helped to tell and sawe the telling of all the said peeces of eight, assisting therein the said producent, who assisted him in the like occasion"<ref>[[HCA 13/69 Silver 5 f.7v Annotate|HCA 13/69 Silver 5 f.7v]]</ref>
+- Roderigo Alonzo, a Cadiz merchant, deposed in support of Lorenzo de Veles that "hee this deponent came from the said Indies in the same fleete with him, and sawe him in the possession thereof at Vera Cruz in Nova Hispania where and in other parts of the Indies hee gained the same with traffique and merchandize, and at vera Cruz this deponent sawe him imbarque the same aboard the Admirall of the Spanish fleete bound for Cales, and at vera Cruz this deponent helped the producent to sewe up the said plate and mark the same, and helped to tell and sawe the telling of all the said peeces of eight, assisting therein the said producent, who assisted him in the like occasion"<ref>[[HCA 13/69 Silver 5 f.7v Annotate|HCA 13/69 Silver 5 f.7v]]</ref> Note that Lorenzo de Veles, a merchant of Dunkirk, living in Indies and at Cadiz "as occasion offers" appears to have moved around the Spanish West Indies. For example, "this deponent [Lorenzo de Veles] saw all and singular the before mentioned sylver in the possession of the sayd Arangall and Mannrga att Mexico in the Indies where they bought the sylver"<ref>[IMG_118_07_2759]</ref> and carried cases of bon lace of Flanders to Nova Hispania for Abraham van Hembeck of Antwerpen<ref>[IMG_118_07_2773]]</ref>
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-Vera Cruz in Nova Hispania is mentioned twice in the Silver Ships material. Once as the place of residence of ffrancisco da Cairodge, who is a born Biscay man, and is described as a treasuer of the King of Spain at Vera Cruz. His specific location is given as "neere the ffranciscans College in Vera Cruz". The second time as the place from which Caracas resident Anthonye de Ponte brought merchandizes which he exchanged at Havana for silver
+Vera Cruz in Nova Hispania is mentioned in the claims of three men in the Silver Ships material. (1) Once as the place of residence of ffrancisco da Cairodge, who is a born Biscay man, and is described as a treasuer of the King of Spain at Vera Cruz. His specific location is given as "neere the ffranciscans College in Vera Cruz". (2) The second time as the place from which Caracas resident Anthonye de Ponte brought merchandizes which he exchanged at Havana for silver (3) The third time in support of the claim of Lorenzo de Veles for his moneys, plate and goods in the ''Sampson''
 - "the sayd ffrancisco da Cairodge is a native of Biskay in Spaine and of the knowledge of this deponent hath for theis thirteene yeares now past bene an Inhabitant of Vera Cruz in Nova Hispania in the West Indies and is a subiect of the King of Spaine and so accounted, being one of the Treasurers of and for the sayd King att Vera Cruz aforesayd"<ref>[[HCA 13/69 Silver 4 f.12r Annotate|HCA 13/69 Silver 4 f.12r]]</ref>
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 - "the sayd producent [EDITOR: Caracas resident merchant Anthonye de Ponte] departed from La Vera Cruz about the month of May, sett sayle from the Havana in June, and arrived att Cadize aforesayd about the latter end of July 1652"<ref>[[HCA 13/69 Silver 1 f.8v Annotate|HCA 13/69 Silver 1 f.8v]]</ref>
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 - "Pedro Arangel lived neere to the ffranciscans Cloyster in Cadiz and ffrancisco da [?Coyrodge] neere the ffranciscans College in Vera Cruz aforesayd"<ref>[[HCA 13/69 Silver 8 f.6r Annotate|HCA 13/69 Silver 8 f.6r]]</ref>
-- "he this deponent [EDITOR: Caracas resident merchant Anthonye de Ponte] being att La Nova Cruz in Nova Hispania there saw the sayd Antonio de Ponte having laden aboard a small frigat contayne merchandizes of that Country sett sayle and depart with the same for the Havana in the West Indies" <ref>[[HCA 13/69 Silver 1 f.8r Annotate|HCA 13/69 Silver 1 f.8r]]</ref>
+- "he this deponent [EDITOR: Caracas resident merchant Anthonye de Ponte] being att La Vera Cruz in Nova Hispania there saw the sayd Antonio de Ponte having laden aboard a small frigat contayne merchandizes of that Country sett sayle and depart with the same for the Havana in the West Indies" <ref>[[HCA 13/69 Silver 1 f.8r Annotate|HCA 13/69 Silver 1 f.8r]]</ref>
 - "the sayd producent [EDITOR: Caracas resident merchant Anthonye de Ponte] departed from La Vera Cruz about the month of May, sett sayle from the Havana in June, and arrived att Cadize aforesayd about the latter end of July 1652"<ref>[[HCA 13/69 Silver 1 f.8v Annotate|HCA 13/69 Silver 1 f.8v]]</ref>

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-===?Varinas===
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-<u>Mentioned in Slver Ship material</u>
+<u>Mentioned in Silver Ship material</u>
-Tobacco bought at ?Varinas in the West Indies for John Baptista Sabino by Manuel Correa and brought first to Marachaio in the West Indies, and from thence in the ''Nostra Seigniora del Rosario'' to Cadiz, where it was laden on board the ships the ''Sampson'' and ''Salvador''<ref>HCA 13/67 f.? IMG_117_07_1468</ref>
+Tobacco bought at Varinas in the West Indies for John Baptista Sabino by Manuel Correa and brought first to Marachaio in the West Indies, and from thence in the ''Nostra Seigniora del Rosario'' to Cadiz, where it was laden on board the ships the ''Sampson'' and ''Salvador''<ref>HCA 13/67 f.? IMG_117_07_1468</ref>
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 - Thomas Sanchez de Orisa, merchant of Valodolid, but dwelling in Lima in Peru, stated that "hee well knoweth the arlate Anthony Stephen da Balderas and hath soe donne for theise fifteene yeares last, and saith that in the yeare 1643 or thereabouts the said Anthony Stephan da Balderas the producent came from Spaine into the West Indias where this deponent was and continued there till about the moneth of december 1651 at which time the said producent and this deponent imbarqued themselves and came thence in the fleete bound for Spaine and this deponent well knoweth that the said producent brought five severall barrs of silver a bagg of redd wooll of the severall markes allegate (now showne unto him) from the West Indias for Spaine, this deponent seeing him bringe the same from Lima to Panama, thence to Porto Ballo, and thence for Spaine in which passage from Lima to Panama and soe to Porto bello this deponent went in the company of the said producent"<ref>[[HCA 13/69 Silver 5 f.1r Annotate|HCA 13/69 Silver 5 f.1r]]</ref>
-- "hee this deponent [EDITOR: John de Losa Barona, merchant of Segovia in Spain, but living at Lima in Peru] was in the West Indias with the said producent [EDITOR: Antonio Stephen da Bolderas] and acquainted with his gaining and obteyning the said silver and woolls by his traffique and dealing in merchandize and seeing him carrt them from Lima to Panama, and thence to Porto Ballo and thence for Spaine, this deponent comming in the same fleete from the Indias with him and in the same shipp and seeing him the said producent at Cadiz..."<ref>[[HCA 13/69 Silver 5 f.2v Annotate|HCA 13/69 Silver 5 f.2v]]</ref>
+- "hee this deponent [EDITOR: John de Losa Barona, merchant of Segovia in Spain, but living at Lima in Peru] was in the West Indias with the said producent [EDITOR: Antonio Stephen da Bolderas] and acquainted with his gaining and obteyning the said silver and woolls by his traffique and dealing in merchandize and seeing him carry them from Lima to Panama, and thence to Porto Ballo and thence for Spaine, this deponent comming in the same fleete from the Indias with him and in the same shipp and seeing him the said producent at Cadiz..."<ref>[[HCA 13/69 Silver 5 f.2v Annotate|HCA 13/69 Silver 5 f.2v]]</ref>
 - John Mexia de Herrera, a merchant of Toledo in Spain, but living in Lima in Peru, stated he knew Antonio Stephen da Bolderas well in the West Indies "and saith that the said producent had and got in the said Indies in traffique the silver in question namely two barrs of the first marke in the margin of the said allegation one of the second marke and two of the third marke and a bagge of red wooll of the fourth marke, which hee carried with him from Lima to Panama and thence to Porto bello in the West Indias in which passage this deponent went in his company and tooke notice of the said parcells and markes, and at Porto bello the said producent and this deponent imbarqued themselves in the Vice Admirall of the Gallions for Spaine, in which vessell the said producent brought his said five barrs of silver and bagge of wooll of this deponents sight and knowledge, and upon their arrivall at Cadiz this deponent sawe him land the same and afterwards namely in the moneth of September last past or thereabouts this deponent sawe the said producent carry the said five barrs of silver and bagge of wooll into a boate at Cadiz to be carried and laden aboard the shipps Saint George and Sampson arlate"<ref>[[HCA 13/69 Silver 5 f.3v Annotate|HCA 13/69 Silver 5 f.3v]]</ref>
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