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To the fourth hee saith it is very publiqu … To the fourth hee saith it is very publique and notorious and<br />
very true that notwithstanding the warrs to betweene Spaine and<br />
Portugall, the subiects of the king of Spaine have and doe by license<br />
as aforesaid goe and carry goods from the Spanish west Indies to<br />
Angola, and trade there, and the subiects of the king of Portugall<br />
goe and carry goods from Angola to the Spanish West Indies and<br />
trade there, and that very frequently and securely, obtaining in the<br />
first place license in that behalfe, which for a summe of money<br />
is easily and frequently gained and gotten, and that the said subiects<br />
of Portugall have and doe and may by vertue of their<br />
licenses goe and carry the procede of their goods brought from<br />
Angola to Cartagena to any other the dominions of the kinge of<br />
Spaine and there dispose thereof and freely trade, and this hee<br />
saith is usuall and common, notwithstanding the said warrs.
To the fifth hee saith that for all the time interrogated<br />
any subiect of the king of Portugall might safely bringe his<br />
goods from Cartagena or other part of the Spanish west Indies<br />
unto Saint Lucars, or Cadiz or Saint Sebastians, in the dominions of<br />
the king of Spaine, (having first obtained license as aforesaid<br />
which is frequently and easily graunted) without any danger of<br />
confiscation. And otherwise hee referreth himselfe to his foregoeing deposition.
To the sixth hee saith that the license or Permission of the Governour<br />
of Angola graunted to a Portugall subiect to goe in a permission<br />
shipp to Cartagena and trade there, is not a warrant to the said<br />
Portugall subiect to lade goods at Cartagena and carry them<br />
to other parts of the king of Spaine in Europe, but hee must and<br />
of course carries goods in them for Spaine, is then a Permission shipp<br />
and soe generally knowne, though hee bee a subiect at Portugall.
To the seaventh hee saith the said shipp the ''Virgin Mary and''<br />
''All Saints'' of Cartagena came from Saint Lucar or Cadiz under the<br />
conduct of don diago da Gasta to Cartagena, where hee this<br />
deponent brought her, and came not from Angola, and that shee<br />
is a Permission shipp, and soe are all the shipps trading betweene<br />
Spaine and Cartagena, being bound to have particular licenses<br />
to goe from one of those places to the other.
To the eighth hee saith that the interrate Antonio Martino de Messa<br />
had equall power with this deponent as touching the freight and<br />
merchandize of the said shipp, but not in the navigating of her for<br />
that hee this deponent had sole command of her therein, and<br />
that this deponent or his Purser signed all the bills of lading, and none were<br />
signed by the said da Messa, And saith there were only two bills<br />
signed (and were both of one tenor) for all the said goods claimed,<br />
notwithstanding that there are three severall markes, which<br />
markes they had when the said producent bought the, and had<br />
laded them under the same markes hee bought them with as is<br />
often donne as hee saith. And further hee cannot depose, saving<br />
as aforesaid.
To the nineth hee saith hee sawe both the said bills of lading in<br />
the hands and custodie of the said producent after such his imbarking<br />
himselfe in the said shipp for Spaine, and that hee the producent tooke one of<br />
them and put it into his chest, and delivered the other to another friend<br />
thate other to another friend<br />
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