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		+	<u>John Turner in the English Admiralty Court in the 1650s</u>
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		+	A "Mr John Turner", merchant of the City of London, is mentioned in the affidavit of Frederick Ixem, a London notary publique, made in December 1657 in the English Admiralty Court.<ref>[[HCA 13/72 f.202v Annotate#head-7792b396c165940a2ef3372031f6dbb64b71233e|HCA 13/72 f.202v]]</ref>  Since this mention is thirty-seven years prior to the above mentioned will, it is not certain that the will and the deposition match.<ref>The only other PRC will made by a John Turner, identified in the PRC metadata as a merchant between 1657 and 1700, is that of John Turner, merchant of Danzig. Inspection of the digital image of this will shows that it concerns a merchant with strong Scottish, rather than London, connections: [http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/5111/40611_310605-00296/782358?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dCanturburyPrerogativeCourt%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dms_r_db%26gsfn%3djohn%26gsln%3dturner%26msddy%3d1691%26uidh%3d6i3&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults Ancestry Digital Image: PROB 11/404/391 Will of John Turner, Merchant of City of Dantzig 15 May 1691]</ref>
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		+	The affidavit  was made "On the behalfe of Mr Sam: Wilson and Company touching the ''Vosse''", of whom John Turner was evidently a member, though probably junior to Samuel Wilson, who was also described by Ixem as a merchant of London. Ixem's deposition records a bill of sale for the ship the ''Vosse'', dated in Amsterdam on July 23rd (new style), which had been delivered to Ixem in London on December 18th 1657 (old style) to be entered into the records of the English High Court of Admiraty for "perpetual remembrance".  Such entering of a foreign bought ship into the Admiralty Court records would have been to fend off future legal disputes, should the ''Vosse'', under English ownership, later be arrested by English privateers and alleged to be still Dutch owned.
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		+	The John Turner and Samuel Wilson of Ixem's 1657 affidavit are likely to have been London merchants engaged in the Spanish and East Indian trade.
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		+	- In the late 1640s and early 1650s, a John Turner, was chief factor at Teneriff in the Canary Islands for three London merchants prominent in the Canary wine trade: Rowlamd Wilson senior, his partner Martin Bradgate, and Henry St John. G.F.Steckley, in his analysis of John Paige's Canary wine trade, has suggested that the chief factor, John Turner, shipped over 1,100 pipes of Canary wine annually between 1645 and 1647, and that the three partners supported by their chief factor accounted for 20% of the import of Canary wine to London in the late 1640s.<ref>[http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=63981#s101 G.F.Steckley (ed.), 'Introduction', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. IX-XXXIX,] viewed 14/01/14</ref>
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		+	- The same John Turner as above is mentioned in letters of John Paige from the years 1650, 1651, 1652, 1654 and 1655. [ADD REFERENCE]
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		+	- Furthermore, G.F. Steckley has identified a number of commercial letters written by John Turner from the Canaries to various correspondents, together with commercial accounts in English and Spanish.<ref>For example, C. 110/151, J. Turner to R. Wilson, Sr and M. Bradgate, 25 Feb. 1646. SEE [http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=63989#fn fn. 1, G.F. Steckley (ed.), 'Letters: 1655', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. 119-137] viewed 14/01/14</ref>
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		+	- A "Samuel Wilson" and a "John Turner" were two of twenty-three petitioners in a "Humble petition of the merchants trading for Spain", dated September 20th 1655. Other merchant signators to this petition included Chjristopher Boone and John Page [alt. Paige].<ref>[http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=55407#s28 Thomas Birch (ed.), 'State Papers, 1655: September (3 of 4)', A collection of the State Papers of John Thurloe, volume 4: Sept 1655 - May 1656 (1742), pp. 31-47], viewed 14/01/14</ref>
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		+	- The name of Samuel Wilson (without mention of John Turner) appeared in an English Admiralty Court case in 1657 relating to trade with Spain in 1654 and 1655. He was described as Samuel Wilson the younger in the court depositions of the mariner Richard Hussey<ref>[[HCA 13/72 f.6v Annotate#head-7792b396c165940a2ef3372031f6dbb64b71233e|HCA 13/72 f.6v]]</ref> and the London merchant Hanniball Allen.<ref>[[HCA 13/72 f.7v Annotate#head-7792b396c165940a2ef3372031f6dbb64b71233e|HCA 13/72 f.7v]]</ref> These depositions related to a dispute brought by George Margetts and Company, freighters of the ''Saint Lucar Merchant'' in the years 1654 and 1655, against its owners. According to their testimony, Samuell Wilson the younger was the owner and proprietor of three sixteenths of the said ship in these years.
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		+	- Twenty months later the name of Samuel Wilson is again mentioned in the English Admiralty court, this time in the company of a Thomas Plampian and John Turner (all merchants of London), regarding the seizure of the ship the ''ffrancis and John'' by the Dutch East India Company near Bantam in the East Indies.<ref>Deposition of Captaine Lawrence Browning of Ratcliffe in the parish of Stepney, Mariner Master or Comander of the ship the ''ffrancis and John'', aged 52 years, [[HCA 13/73 f.16v Annotate#head-7792b396c165940a2ef3372031f6dbb64b71233e|HCA 13/73 f.16v]]</ref> Interestingly, a number of London merchants engaged in the Spanish trade in the 1650s became active in trade with the East Indies.  Known examples include John Page [alt. Paige], who collaborated with the prominent London merchant Maurice Thompson, in a private venture to Bantam; Christopher Boone, who was a friend and relation of the merchant George Oxenden (a private trader in Surat in the late 1650s and President of the East India Company in Surat in the 1660s); and Arthur (later Sir Arthur) Ingram.<ref>ADD REFERENCES</ref>
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		+	<u>Likelihood of match between John Turner of Admiralty Court in 1650s and John Turner of 1694 will</u>
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		+	It is reasonably likely that John Turner the chief factor for Rowland Wilson senior, ''et al.'' in the 1640s and early 1650s, the John Turner of the HCA depositions in 1657 and 1659, and the John Turner of the 1694 will are the same man.
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		+	Key to making this identification are:
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		+	1. Evidence that John Turner of the 1694 will was a vintner. He is described as such in the 1670 marriage allegations of his daughter Elizabeth and her future husband the merchant Samuel Dawes, both of whom are clearly identifiable in the 1694 will
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		+	2. The link in the 1694 will between a warehouse in John Turner's possession in Suffolk Lane, off Thames Street, and the business address of a John Turner in Suffolk Lane in 1677 London directory of merchants and bankers
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		+	Of possible relevance is that Rowland Watson senior was an employer of the John Turner of Teneriff in the Canaries in the 1640s and early 1650s. Speculatively Rowland Watson may be related to Samuel Watson (alias Samuel Watson the younger) with whom John Turner of the HCA records of 1657 and 1659 is commercially connected in Spanish and other trade.
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		+	There is a will of a Samuel Wilson, Merchant of London, proven in December 1681, thirteen years prior to the will of John Turner.  Should transcription of Wilson's will (not yet tackled) name a John Turner linked to Ratcliff, this will strengthen the linkage of the above mentioned will of John Turner to the Admiralty court deposition made by Frederick Ixem.
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		+	|Primary sources=[[Tools: PROB 11/421/409 Will of John Turner%2C Merchant of London 05 October 1694#head-66c680446e2a7406ab0abbcea449110f8be6ab24|PROB 11/421/409 Will of John Turner, Merchant of London 05 October 1694]]
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The 21th day of January 1658./.

On the behalfe of Samuel Wilson Thomas Plampian and)
John Turner Merchants of London)
partowners of the ship ffrancis
and John Laurence Browning Comander)
ffrancklin:/

Rp.

Captaine Lawrence Browning
of Ratcliffe in the parish of Stepney
and County of Midds Mariner Master or
Comander of the Ship the ffrancis and
John: aged 52 yeeres of thereabouts, sworne
before the right worshipfull John Godolphin Doctor
of Lawes. one of the Judges of the High Court
of the Admiralty of England and Examined upon
certaine Interriogatorie given in by Mr ffrancklin
on the behalfe of the Said Samuell Wilson, Thomas Plampian and
John Turner: saith and deposeth as followeth videlicet.

To the said Interriogatorie hee saith and deposeth that this
deponent very well knoweth the said Samuel Wilson, Thomas
Plampian and John Turner, who were as hee saith owners
of the greatest part of the said shipp the ffrancis and John
and saith that at the time of the seizure of the said ship
and her Lading, by some of the ships belonging to the
Dutch East India Company of the United Netherlands
there were aboard the said Ship ffrancis and John
two and thirty Musketts which were taken by this depot for the sayd
ships use after her coming into Bantam Roade, he not daring to dispose thereof at Bantam and saith the same really and truely belonged
to the said Samuel Wilson Thomas Plampian and
John Turner; and ?full the said two and thirty Musektts
(as hee saith) were seized in the said ship ffrancis and
John on the ?one and twentieth of September 1657 and Came to the hands of the Captaines Comanders
or Companyes of the said Dutch ships, or some of them. And
lastly saith the said Musketts there in in England
Cost upon the said ships goeing out from hence on the
said voyage, ffifteene shillings and six pence a peece
one with another, and saith they were as good at the
time of the said seizure, as they were at the time of
said Buying here in England The premisses hee deposeth
being Comander of the said ship: And further cannot
Answer.?:

Lawrence Browning SIGNATURE, RH SIDE

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John Turner

John Turner in the English Admiralty Court in the 1650s

A "Mr John Turner", merchant of the City of London, is mentioned in the affidavit of Frederick Ixem, a London notary publique, made in December 1657 in the English Admiralty Court.^[1] Since this mention is thirty-seven years prior to the above mentioned will, it is not certain that the will and the deposition match.^[2]

The affidavit was made "On the behalfe of Mr Sam: Wilson and Company touching the Vosse", of whom John Turner was evidently a member, though probably junior to Samuel Wilson, who was also described by Ixem as a merchant of London. Ixem's deposition records a bill of sale for the ship the Vosse, dated in Amsterdam on July 23rd (new style), which had been delivered to Ixem in London on December 18th 1657 (old style) to be entered into the records of the English High Court of Admiraty for "perpetual remembrance". Such entering of a foreign bought ship into the Admiralty Court records would have been to fend off future legal disputes, should the Vosse, under English ownership, later be arrested by English privateers and alleged to be still Dutch owned.

The John Turner and Samuel Wilson of Ixem's 1657 affidavit are likely to have been London merchants engaged in the Spanish and East Indian trade.

- In the late 1640s and early 1650s, a John Turner, was chief factor at Teneriff in the Canary Islands for three London merchants prominent in the Canary wine trade: Rowlamd Wilson senior, his partner Martin Bradgate, and Henry St John. G.F.Steckley, in his analysis of John Paige's Canary wine trade, has suggested that the chief factor, John Turner, shipped over 1,100 pipes of Canary wine annually between 1645 and 1647, and that the three partners supported by their chief factor accounted for 20% of the import of Canary wine to London in the late 1640s.^[3]

- The same John Turner as above is mentioned in letters of John Paige from the years 1650, 1651, 1652, 1654 and 1655. [ADD REFERENCE]

- Furthermore, G.F. Steckley has identified a number of commercial letters written by John Turner from the Canaries to various correspondents, together with commercial accounts in English and Spanish.^[4]

- A "Samuel Wilson" and a "John Turner" were two of twenty-three petitioners in a "Humble petition of the merchants trading for Spain", dated September 20th 1655. Other merchant signators to this petition included Chjristopher Boone and John Page [alt. Paige].^[5]

- The name of Samuel Wilson (without mention of John Turner) appeared in an English Admiralty Court case in 1657 relating to trade with Spain in 1654 and 1655. He was described as Samuel Wilson the younger in the court depositions of the mariner Richard Hussey^[6] and the London merchant Hanniball Allen.^[7] These depositions related to a dispute brought by George Margetts and Company, freighters of the Saint Lucar Merchant in the years 1654 and 1655, against its owners. According to their testimony, Samuell Wilson the younger was the owner and proprietor of three sixteenths of the said ship in these years.

- Twenty months later the name of Samuel Wilson is again mentioned in the English Admiralty court, this time in the company of a Thomas Plampian and John Turner (all merchants of London), regarding the seizure of the ship the ffrancis and John by the Dutch East India Company near Bantam in the East Indies.^[8] Interestingly, a number of London merchants engaged in the Spanish trade in the 1650s became active in trade with the East Indies. Known examples include John Page [alt. Paige], who collaborated with the prominent London merchant Maurice Thompson, in a private venture to Bantam; Christopher Boone, who was a friend and relation of the merchant George Oxenden (a private trader in Surat in the late 1650s and President of the East India Company in Surat in the 1660s); and Arthur (later Sir Arthur) Ingram.^[9]

Likelihood of match between John Turner of Admiralty Court in 1650s and John Turner of 1694 will

It is reasonably likely that John Turner the chief factor for Rowland Wilson senior, et al. in the 1640s and early 1650s, the John Turner of the HCA depositions in 1657 and 1659, and the John Turner of the 1694 will are the same man.

Key to making this identification are:

1. Evidence that John Turner of the 1694 will was a vintner. He is described as such in the 1670 marriage allegations of his daughter Elizabeth and her future husband the merchant Samuel Dawes, both of whom are clearly identifiable in the 1694 will

2. The link in the 1694 will between a warehouse in John Turner's possession in Suffolk Lane, off Thames Street, and the business address of a John Turner in Suffolk Lane in 1677 London directory of merchants and bankers

Of possible relevance is that Rowland Watson senior was an employer of the John Turner of Teneriff in the Canaries in the 1640s and early 1650s. Speculatively Rowland Watson may be related to Samuel Watson (alias Samuel Watson the younger) with whom John Turner of the HCA records of 1657 and 1659 is commercially connected in Spanish and other trade.

There is a will of a Samuel Wilson, Merchant of London, proven in December 1681, thirteen years prior to the will of John Turner. Should transcription of Wilson's will (not yet tackled) name a John Turner linked to Ratcliff, this will strengthen the linkage of the above mentioned will of John Turner to the Admiralty court deposition made by Frederick Ixem.

Sources

Primary sources

PROB 11/421/409 Will of John Turner, Merchant of London 05 October 1694

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1. ↑ HCA 13/72 f.202v
2. ↑ The only other PRC will made by a John Turner, identified in the PRC metadata as a merchant between 1657 and 1700, is that of John Turner, merchant of Danzig. Inspection of the digital image of this will shows that it concerns a merchant with strong Scottish, rather than London, connections: Ancestry Digital Image: PROB 11/404/391 Will of John Turner, Merchant of City of Dantzig 15 May 1691
3. ↑ G.F.Steckley (ed.), 'Introduction', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. IX-XXXIX, viewed 14/01/14
4. ↑ For example, C. 110/151, J. Turner to R. Wilson, Sr and M. Bradgate, 25 Feb. 1646. SEE fn. 1, G.F. Steckley (ed.), 'Letters: 1655', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. 119-137 viewed 14/01/14
5. ↑ Thomas Birch (ed.), 'State Papers, 1655: September (3 of 4)', A collection of the State Papers of John Thurloe, volume 4: Sept 1655 - May 1656 (1742), pp. 31-47, viewed 14/01/14
6. ↑ HCA 13/72 f.6v
7. ↑ HCA 13/72 f.7v
8. ↑ Deposition of Captaine Lawrence Browning of Ratcliffe in the parish of Stepney, Mariner Master or Comander of the ship the ffrancis and John, aged 52 years, HCA 13/73 f.16v
9. ↑ ADD REFERENCES