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===Allegation: Thomas Grant: Answers: Edward Bushell, Stephen White & John Crowder: Date: March 8th 1657===
  
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The eighth of March 1657
  
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1.  The personall Answeres of Edward Bushell
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Stephen White and John Crowder made
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to the posiccons of an Allegaconn given
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in ag:t them on the behalfe of Thomas
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Grant doe followe
  
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1.  To the first prtded posiconn they answere and
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beleeve the same to be true
  
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2.  To the second prded posicon they answere and
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beleeve that the sd Thomas Grant was appointed
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M:r of the sd ship the ''Sarah'' by the arlate Alderman
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Adams & others the Owners of thesd ship as they beleive
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w:th such posicons as is usually given to Masters of
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ships, and these rendants beleeve the sd XXXXX//
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for y:e sd voiage saving such part thereof as they have
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since received by Judgem:t given by Com:rs appointed
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betwixt y:e Comonweakth & Portugall according to w;ch
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pporcon & manner of payment theis rendents are ready
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& willking to pay y:e sd Grant, And theis rendents beleive
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that y:e sd voiage there were divers marrin:rs XXXXX in the
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sd ship, But what they were or their names theis rendents
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know not, but are willig to referrr y:e same to y;e sd Grants
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Oath, And theis rendents beleeve y:e the sd Grant and
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Comp:ie entred into pay about y:e later end of ffebruary 1647
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& discharged y:e outwards lading at Lisborn about the later end
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of Aprill 1648: and there staid in getting a fraight and
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taking in other lading untill about the moneth of July, &
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then went to BRazeile & there did discharge her lading
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about y:e later end of September or beginning of October
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1648. as they beleeve, & there the sd ship did remaine
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& abide at Brazeile under the Imbargo of y:e king of
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Portugall & his Ministers by y:e space of Seventeene or
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Eighteene Moneths, and then at last the sd ship taken
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away, w:ch was about y:e moneth of August 1650. as they
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beleeve during all w:ch time theis rendents beleeve the
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sd GRant & Comp:ie were belonging unto her, And Other-
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.wise for their pts they do not beleeve y:e sd posiccon to be true
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5.  To the fifth prtded posiconn they answere & accept y:e contents
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of y:e sd posiconn & beleeve that y:t urlate Grant did pay
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unto his Marinn:rs six monteths pay at Brazeile out of
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the monies w:ch was by him received there for fraight
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due to theis rendents & Comp:ie, And this rendent Edward
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Bushell beleeveth that there being a meeting of some of the
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Owners at the house of M:r Alderman Adams the said
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Grant was there and these rendents demanding an
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acco:tt of y:e monies due to the marriners in the sd ship the
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sd voiage the sd Grant did umediately produce y:e schedule
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arlate which this rendent did cast up not by way of allowance
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or condiscention that there was soe much due but onely
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to satisfy himselfe what was due to the sd Grant
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Revision as of 13:19, April 28, 2012

HCA13/128

Editorial history

26/04/12, CSG: Created page






Overview


Worked on HCA 13/128 (1656-1658)
Small volume, ca. 10 in x. 6 in x ¾ in
Leather bound, original covers; original leather ties have been lost
No contents or index
No foliation no pagination
Kept this volume to work on further this Friday (27th April 2012)



Selected transcriptions

Case: XXXX: Answer: XXXX: Date: XXXX


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//The psonall Answeres of Richard Batson Humphrey
Beane[1] & Gowen Goldegay[2] Made to the Allegacon
apud Arla & Schedule given in on the behalfe
of Henry ffreeman & others doe followe

To the Allon & Schedule they answer & accept the Contents
thereof soe far as it makes for them & not otherwise
and further they answere & beleeve all the parties allegate
were hyred to serve in the vessell the Greyhound allegate
by order of these rendents as they beleeve for the wages
expressed in the schedule annexed to these rendents
answeres and noe more as they beleeve for a fishing
voiage to be made in the sd vessell for Greeneland//


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& the ports & harbours thereabouts but these rendents
beleeve the sd pties nor any off them never came or
arrived to any of the sd places, but in stead of goeing
thither to fish, when they were within five or six leagues
of the same the sd pties with the consent of the rest of the
sd ships Company would nt pceed any further but forced
the Comander of the sd ship to turne back againe both w:th
the ship allegate & the Owners Adventure without ever
coming to Greeneland or any port or harbor there or making
any voiage, by which meanes these rendents d voiage was
totally overthrowne & lost to their damage at leaset ffowre
thousand pounds as they beleeve, And further they doe not
beleeve the sd Allegacon
or schedule to be true in any pte, saveing these rendents beleeve
that the sd ship sett sayle from Gravesend upon or about the fourteenth of Aprill 1656. & not before as they beleeve
at w:ch time & not before the sd monethly pay was to begin
in case the sd pties had behaved themselves as they ought to have
done, & these rendents further beleeve that y:e ship the Greyhound
came back againe into the River of Thames & was here discharged
upon or about the fowrteenth day of September 1656 as they beleeve

RICHARD BATSON [His signature]
BEANE [His signature]
GOE XXXXX [His signature]

The schedule menconed in the Answeres

Henry ffreeman for twelve pounds whereof
recd three pounds in money before he went
out & fower shills & ten pence more unpon Cloathes
soe in case he had pformed the voiage in Greenland
as he might to have done there remaine

8:li - 15 - 2

John Burgen for fifteene pounds whereof recd
three pounds before he went out & stwo shill and
two oence upon cloathes so in case he had pformed
his voiage to Greeneland as he ought tp have done
there remaines

11:li - 19 (OR, 17)- 10

John Gold for five pounds wherof recd twenty
shills, and one pound. two shills & six pence in cloaths
so in case he had gone to Greenland and
there pformed what he ought to have done there had
remained

2:li - 19 (OR, 17)- 6//


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Nicholas Taylor at Thirty five shillings p
moneth whereof recd before hee went out
Thirty five shill and in cloathes Three shill
fower oennce, and he was in the ship from the
14:th of Aprill 1656; which is five moneths soe
there remaines in case he had pformed his
voiage as he ought to have done

6:li - 16 - 8

Thomas ffrost shipped at thirty nyne shills per
moneth whereof recd one moneths pay before
his foeing out & fifteene shills foure pence for cloathes
& was in the ship the time aforesd, soe thre remaines
in case he had pformed the voiage as he ought to
have done

7:li - 0 - 8

John Clarke shipped at thirty Eight shill p moneth
whereof recd one pound Eighteene shill before his goeing out & one pound two shill . eight pence for
cloathe, & was in the ship the time aforesd soe
there remaines in case he had pformed his
voiage as he ought to have done

6:li - 09 - 4

Dennis Yarmouth shipped at thirty foure shill
p moneth recd one pound fowerteene shills
before his departure, & fifteene shill foure
pence for cloathes & was in the shipp the
tyme aforesd, soe there remaines in case
hee had pformed his voiage as he ought

6:li - 0 - 8

RICHARD BATSON [His signature]
H BEANE ?Esqr [His signature]
GUW GOULEGAY (sic) [His signature]


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Case: Edward Gosling, wages: Answer: Richard Batson: Date: XXXX


//The psonall Answeres of Richard Batson made
to the posicons of an All:on ag:t him on the
behalfe of Edward Gosling in the Cause of wages
doe followe

1. To the first pretended posicon hee answereth & beleeveth
that he doth accept the contents of the said posicon soe far
as the same doth make for him & not otherwise, And
he beleeveth that this rendent, M:r Beane & M:r Goldegue (sic)
did in or about the time arlate hyre and agree with the
said Edward Goslinge to serve in the ship the Owners
Adventure as a Harponier at first onely, and left it unto
Thomas Damerell the Comander of the said ship to appoint
him his mate if he pleased, w:ch this rendent beleeveth hee
afterwards did appoint the sd Gosling one of his Mates
with the consent of this rendent as hee beleeveth And//


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Case: XXXX: Answer: XXXXX: Date: 1st November 1655


//M:r Daniell Jiggles.

- In the Iland of Barbados Novemb: 1:me 1655

My order & desire unto yo:u is that yo:u take the first
opportunity of wind & weather to saile home to the coast of
Virginia where I shall not oblige yo:u to any pticular port
being altogether unacquainted withh that trade, But forasmuch
as you have bin severall tymes there I shall intreate you to
saile for y:t place where wee may most probably find a
fraight for the ship Anne, be it either for London or
Holland, which is the principle of o:r designes and a good
fraight with a speedy dispacth would much helpe us
you well knowe how to distingusih betixt
fraights for England & Holland, & I shall leave it unto
your discretion, The goods which I have laden pary
dispose of them for my most advantages you have
their pticulars here underneath, pray gett good tobacco
for them, & loade it aboard the Ann to be at y:e disposicon
of my brother James Cowse

Now if it shall soe fall out that a fraight in a short space
is not to be procured, which on yo:r arrivall yo:u will soone
perceive, then my order is that you come back hither with
all convenient speed, And that the voiage may not bee
altogether fruitles, you may convert my goods into cattle
such as you conceie may be fittest for sale here in this
Iland, and you may likewise loade a parcell of beefe
and porke which may be seasoned with our owne salt
And so further the busines you may passe yo:r bill on me
for Tenn or fifteene thousand pounds of Musc:° sugars, or
you may give yo:r bills by Exchange on my brother James
Cowse of London for one hundred or one hundred and
fifty pounds sterl, and your bills will be paid, M:r ?Manning
hath written to severall of his friends to assist yo:u in what
shall offer And likewise if there be an occasion to
underwrite yo:r bills.
XX//


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Theise goods laden are as followeth

Eight pipes of Oporto wynes whereof, Two are white, one ?eager,
A Bale con 32: Rames of white writing paper
A packett 20. peeces of pintados which here sell at 50:li
Two chests of fine earthen ware
A parcell of course earthen ware
A parcell of salt

You may sell these goods at the price Currant that is to say
for the most they will yeeld, And if any of the seamen be
necessitated, you may supply their wants on accompts of
their wages, and for your care and paines herein yo:u shaéé
have a good satisffaction, I leave the whole business unto yor
care, beseeching God to send you a prosperous voiage

I am yo:r very loving friend
Edmund Cowse

Pray write my brother
what passeth

DANIELL JESSELS His signature

Repeated before Coll Cocke
in y:e hall y:r the 16:th of ffeb: 1655

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Case: Wm: Bulkley allegation: Answer: William Browning: Date: 18th Feb: 1656


The psonall Answeres of W;m Browning ade to y:e posicons
of an All:on given in ag:t him on behalfe of W:m Bulkley doe
followe



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The psonall Answeres of Edward Goslin XXX
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as followe

1. To the


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To the 6:th they & each of them answereth that in y:e sd All:on given
in on their behalfe they have in the 13:th arles set forth y:e whole
truth of this fact to this arle w:ch is admitted & witnesses worne &
exaied thereupon & otherwise than in y:e sd 13:th arle of their All:on &
the exacons thereupon taken w:ch they & each of them believeth to be
true they nor either of them doth believe the same to be true in any pte

To the 8. & 9:th they & each of them answreth & believeth that the sd
ships in the sd arles menoned were in comp:a with the:XX ships y:e Owners
Adventure & the Greyhound about the 17th (OR, 19th) of June 1656. when y:e sd
Damerell comanded his comp:a to strive to get into the Ice , but y:e sd
M:r of y:e sd 4. ships & their comp:ies nor any of them did so proffer
to get into any harbor about y.e tyme holding it soe exceedingly dangerous
& XXXX possible to be done whilest the Ice was so much about the
shoore & they & divers of them did tell the sd damerell so much or
the like in effect & y:t it was a kind of madnes to attempt it, but about
the 13:th of July w:ch was neare a moneth after when y:e Ice was dissolved
or much abated from about the shoare the sd other fowre Lonon ships
did get into the sd harbour & did fish there & catch severall whales
& made a good voiage neare about the ?sumes in y:e sd arles menconed
as they & each of them believeth, & so might the sd Own:rs Adventure
& Greyhound have done in all pbability according to their xpeccons as
they & each of them believeth if y:e sd Damrell would have bin per
-suaded & intreated by them the sd ?Manudrey & ?Goslin or any others
to have done as they did & have adventured to get into harbour in
the moneth of July when it was more seasonable & pbable to have
bin attayned, but y:t sd Damerell continued XXing at sea & xxing
after the fflemmings upon new designes & would not be psuaded
ever to attempt the getting into any harbour after y:e sd 18:th of June
1656. & so y:t sd voiage was by his the sd Damerells wilfulnes and
obstinacy overthrowne & lost & not by any default or occasion of
them y:e sd Manndrey & Goslin or either of them And otherwise they
nor either of them doth not believe the sd arles or either of them
to be true in any pte

10 To the 10:th they & each of them answereth they believe the said
Batson & comp:a were at charge for the setting out of y:e sd bessells
but how much it cost them they know not neither doth it concerne them
or either of them, but if y:e Cort be of opinion they are to answere any
thing to it in obedience thereunto they are willing to submit y:e same
to the oathes of the sd Batson & comp:a who were y:e setters forth


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11. To the 11:th they & each of them answereth that they nor either of them
doth believe that y:e sd Batson & Comp:a suffred any loss or damage
at all the sd voiage by y:e meanes or occasion of them y:e sd ManXXX
or Goslin or either of them

12. 13. 14. To the 12. 13. & 14:th they & either of them answereth that y:e Batson
& comp:a being indebted unto them for their wages y:e sd vouage &
desirous to hinder them from y:e same XXX without any colo:r of reason
as they & each of them beleiveth brought their accon ag:t them the
sd Maundrey & Goslin & thereby demanded from them XXXX pre
-tended damages w:ch they suffered by the sd damerell (if by any)
which they conceive they have iust reason to refuse to pay and
otherwise saving that they are subiects of this nation & subiects
to the Lawes thereof & saving their former answeres w:ch they
& each of them believeth to be true they nor either of them doth
believe the same to be true in any pte

EDWARD GOSLINGE [His signature]
RICHARD MANDREY [His signature]

Repeated x:r
15:th Aprill 1657//

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//The psonall Answeres of Samuell Micoe made
to the p:rted posiccons of an Allegacon given against
him on the behalfe of Thomas Cullinge Jonathan
Andrewes & Gifford Bale as followeth

1. To the first hee answereth That he beleevth That
the tyme in the Article menconned the pties therein
expressed did assert themselves to be (&were reputed)
the owners of the ship the article expressed, And
otherwise he doth not beleeve the said arle to be true
in any pt

2. 3. To the second & third he answereth that he doth beleeve the
same

4. To the fourth he answereth & beleeveth that the sd MastXXX gXXXX//


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//in the sd arles expressed did in pursuance of y:e
agreem:t saile to & arrive at such ports & places as
are hereafter in his answeres expresed about the
times therein mencconed, And otherwise he doth
not beleeve the same to be true in any part

5. To the fifth he answereth that he was not in y:e sd voiage
& so it is not possible for him to know y:e ptcular dayes
when the sd ship set saile but will refer y:e same to y;e oath
of the M:r, onely for y:e ships goeing to ?Maierque he doth deny
that it was by any direccon of his, but he hath heard that
by reason of contrary windes y:e M:r did touch these with
the said ship

6. To the sixth he answereth that for the times of y:e arrivall
it is not possible for him particularly
to know being not in the sd voiage but submit y:e same to
the oath fof y.e M:r or any y:t are in y:t sd voiage but hath heard
& doth beleeve y:e sd M:r did sell some of the goods at Maierque
but without the order of him the sd Samuell Mico for he did
give him order to goe first for naples & thither shee did
after goe & there arrived
, and discharged other goods
as is alleaged, but for the times he XXXX it XX
before so y:t oath of the sd M:r, And otherwise doth not
beleeve the same to be true in any pt

7 To the seventh he answereth and beleeveth that
after the arrivall of the sd ship at naples ?she
did make further delivery of her goods there &
did there stay to take in other lading, to have
bin brought to this port of London, but when y:e
last of the ladinge was brought on board he
doth not know, but is also willing to leave y:e same
to the aoath of y:e M:r or any that were then at Naples
and knowe the same


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//him whether the sd monyes were drawne for the
?acco:tt of the sd ship or goods, and therfore hee
told the sd Mr Andrewes M:r Culling & others
or some of them the reputed Owners that hee
could not tell whether the money soe drawne
was upon the acco:t of the sd shipp or the goods, but
if they pleased to disburse the monyes, whatsoever
pporcon should belong to himm for the goods he would
reimburse them againe or to that effect as he beleeveth
and he hath heard & doth beleeve that y:e said ship & all
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Allegation: Thomas Grant: Answers: Edward Bushell, Stephen White & John Crowder: Date: March 8th 1657


The eighth of March 1657

1. The personall Answeres of Edward Bushell
Stephen White and John Crowder made
to the posiccons of an Allegaconn given
in ag:t them on the behalfe of Thomas
Grant doe followe

1. To the first prtded posiconn they answere and
beleeve the same to be true

2. To the second prded posicon they answere and
beleeve that the sd Thomas Grant was appointed
M:r of the sd ship the Sarah by the arlate Alderman
Adams & others the Owners of thesd ship as they beleive
w:th such posicons as is usually given to Masters of
ships, and these rendants beleeve the sd XXXXX//



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for y:e sd voiage saving such part thereof as they have
since received by Judgem:t given by Com:rs appointed
betwixt y:e Comonweakth & Portugall according to w;ch
pporcon & manner of payment theis rendents are ready
& willking to pay y:e sd Grant, And theis rendents beleive
that y:e sd voiage there were divers marrin:rs XXXXX in the
sd ship, But what they were or their names theis rendents
know not, but are willig to referrr y:e same to y;e sd Grants
Oath, And theis rendents beleeve y:e the sd Grant and
Comp:ie entred into pay about y:e later end of ffebruary 1647
& discharged y:e outwards lading at Lisborn about the later end
of Aprill 1648: and there staid in getting a fraight and
taking in other lading untill about the moneth of July, &
then went to BRazeile & there did discharge her lading
about y:e later end of September or beginning of October
1648. as they beleeve, & there the sd ship did remaine
& abide at Brazeile under the Imbargo of y:e king of
Portugall & his Ministers by y:e space of Seventeene or
Eighteene Moneths, and then at last the sd ship taken
away, w:ch was about y:e moneth of August 1650. as they
beleeve during all w:ch time theis rendents beleeve the
sd GRant & Comp:ie were belonging unto her, And Other-
.wise for their pts they do not beleeve y:e sd posiccon to be true

5. To the fifth prtded posiconn they answere & accept y:e contents
of y:e sd posiconn & beleeve that y:t urlate Grant did pay
unto his Marinn:rs six monteths pay at Brazeile out of
the monies w:ch was by him received there for fraight
due to theis rendents & Comp:ie, And this rendent Edward
Bushell beleeveth that there being a meeting of some of the
Owners at the house of M:r Alderman Adams the said
Grant was there and these rendents demanding an
acco:tt of y:e monies due to the marriners in the sd ship the
sd voiage the sd Grant did umediately produce y:e schedule
arlate which this rendent did cast up not by way of allowance
or condiscention that there was soe much due but onely
to satisfy himselfe what was due to the sd Grant
and Comp:ie in case they would take the same as//


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  1. Humphrey Beane. Just possibly Humphrey Beane (b. ?, d. ca. 1680), of Ebisham, Surrey (PROB 11/362 Will of Humphry Beane of Ebbisham, Surrey 14 January 1680 Bath 1-59)
  2. Gowen Goldegay. Gowen Goldegay (b. ?1614, d. ca. 1657), of Whitefriars, City of London. 'Mr. Gowen Goldegay,' was appointed to 'a Committee for the Militia, of and within the Borough of Southwarke, and Parts adjacent within the Lines of Communication, on the South Side of the River of Thames, in the County of Surrey' in September 1647 (Gowen Goldingay: Christening 04 Dec 1614 St Giles Cripplegate, London: Father: Edward Goldingay, IGI; PROB 11/269 Will of Gowen Goldegay of Whitefriars, City of London 14 November 1657 Ruthen 411-461, pp. 1-5; 'September 1647: Ordinance to settle the Militia of Southwark.', Acts and Ordinances of the Interregnum, 1642-1660 (1911), pp. 1010-1011, viewed 28/04/12)