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<document-start>
1. the better remembreth them for that hee kept a Journall as aforesayd
2. And further to these articles hee cannot depose./
3. To the 12th article hee saith hee well knoweth that the Golden Cock was
4. but a single sheathed shipp and was eaten and wrought through with
5. wormes by reason of her long staye in the East Indies (which is a thing
6. frequent with shipps that continue longe in the Indies) And saith the sayd
7. shipp continued tight and staunch for about twenty moneths after her
8. departure from Gravesend as aforesayd soe that hee is well assured
9. that if the Master and Company of her had returned with her out of
10. the Indies timely enough to have arrived with her at London within
11. eighteene moneths next after such her first departure from
12. Gravesend shee might very well have arrived in safety at London
13. without being necessitated to make use of any ˹or at least very little˺ other materialls or
14. provisions than what shee carried outward And further to this article
15. hee cannot depose./
16. To the 13th article hee saith that the Golden Cock aforesayd was in being
17. till the twenty nynth day of October one thousand sixe hundred fifty
18. sixe which was the day that shee sunke as aforesayd soe that shee was
19. in the service of the arlate Canham Paige and Thompson from
20. the tyme of her departure from Gravesend which was the tenth day of
21. december one thousand sixe hundred fifty fower till the sayd 29th of
22. October which is two and twenty moneths or neere thereabouts And
23. further to this article hee cannot depose/
24. To the 14th hee saith hee well knoweth that when the sayd shipp arrived at
25. Bantam outward bound ˹and˺ had there discharged her outward ladeing
26. the winde and weather served well for her returne thense for London and
27. it was not by reason of any fowle weather or contrary windes that
28. that shee did not returne And but meerely because the master
29. traded up and downe in the Indies from port to Port and would not
30. returne though his company were very desyrous to have return
31. from thense for England And hee saith that if the sayd master would [then GUTTER]
32. have taken in a ladeing and returned for England soone after his comming
33. first thither and dischargeing of his outwards cargo there hee might have
34. accomplished his voyage back to London within farr lesse tyme than
35. eighteene moneths from the tyme of her setting out from Gravesend [afore GUTTER]
36. sayd and the shipp had not then layne in the Indies soe longe as shee did
37. by eight or nyne monethes for shee discharged her outward ladeing there
38. in the latter end of August 1655 and continued tradeing up and downe
39. in the Indies to Pallum Bam and Jambee as aforesayd till the twenty
40. nynth of October one thousand sixe hundred fifty sixe much against the
41. desyre of this deponent and of the rest of the shipps company and so the [XXX GUTTER]
42. of the ˹their˺ health and losse of the shipp as aforesayd And further to this article
43. hee cannot depose/
44. To the 15th hee saith that the sayd shipp (in his this deponents Judgment
45. at the experation of the eighteene moneths from the tyme of the sayd shipps
46. departure from Gravesend upon the voyage in question ˹was˺ the sayd shipps with the
47. <margin value="Bottom right, under main body of text, as lead to next page">[laX GUTTER]</margin>
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Thomas Canham

Thomas Canham had a commercial relationship from at least as early as 1651

- "48. [John Paige] to William Clerke
28 Sept. 1651
… May please to take notice that I have disposed of 6 chests of your indigos unto Mr Thomas Canham at 4s 8d per lb, to pay at 6 months' time. And after the bargain was made, I found him inclining to recant, saying that Antonio Fernandez [Carvajal] sold at 4s 2d per lb, which was very true, insomuch that I was fain to take half with him rather than to have them turned down upon my hands. We sent them for Lisbon where they were sold very well, as it happened, 750 réis per lb. There remains yet 8 chests in cellar and one chest campechena grain. As for your lignum rhodium, I cannot dispose of one t for money nor upon truck, insomuch that I doubt warehouse room will eat out the principal. Besides, it dries very much. I would willingly dispose of it upon any reasonable terms. Those chests indigo which remain unsold are the best of all the parcels. I proffered them at 4s 2d per lb garbled but cannot get above 4s per lb and at time [i.e. to be paid for later]. So that now I am resolved to keep them until I hear from you again because for future when you send me any goods, pray give me such order as that I may send them to any place where I shall think most convenient for your most advantage, if you can repose so much confidence in me. If you think it convenient, I will send them for Lisbon for your account. Of this, pray 2 words per first opportunity."^[1]

- "66. [John Paige] to William Clerke
4 Jan. 1653
a. My last unto you was per Capt. Harwood [the Agreement] of 15 Nov., to which crave reference. Since, I have received yours of 22 Oct. per the Turned-out frigate. I have paid up Shorton £10 for account of Diego Benitez per your bill of exchange. I here send you the apothecary's bill by which you may see what those medicines amount unto, as also I send you the account of what Don Carlos' coach cost here first penny. You may charge him with freight, insurance and my commission. I hope it will be little inferior to the [Capt.] General's coach which cost £50 more. It hath cost me no small trouble to have all things exact according to order. I have bought you a large carpet which shall send over per first.

I should be very glad to hear that you had bought up a round quantity of wines as you writ me would do suddenly after Mr Straw's [the Turnedout's] dispatch, which, if you had given me advice thereof per Mr Webber [the Blessing], I would have adventured to charge you with some tonnage in this ship [the Golden Star, Capt. John Holman]. But not knowing your mind makes me forbear doing it. I have taken 80 ts in this ship to carry away a parcel of rye which I bought in Plymouth about 3 months since. Mr Rowland Wilson hath 70 ts and Mr Canham 40 ts. Now in case the ship carry any more than abovesaid tonnage, then my father-in-law hath privilege to load it. I have written him 2 words to that purpose that he spare you room for 20 or 30 pipes if possible he can, for I know this ship is 220 ts. Of this I thought good to give you a hint by reason there is now an opportunity to get money by wines which there may not be another year. I hope you have reserved some of the Duraxno wines to send home for your account.^[2]

Thomas Canham's venture with Maurice Thompson and John Page in the East Indies

- "His first endeavours as a merchant to the East were less successful. In September 1654 he had signed Maurice Thomson's petition which called for a freer Eastern trade in which individuals might send private adventures independent of the Company. Then he joined Thomson and Thomas Canham in such a voyage. They hired the Golden Cock, a ship of 85 tons owned by Richard Ely and Paige's cousin John Paige of Plymouth, and set her out in November for Bantam. The ship stopped at Tenerife for the vintage and had delivered wines safely to Bantam by August 1655. There she was freighted by the Company to carry pepper from Sumatra to Bantam, but in October 1656 was leaking so badly from worm damage that she was scuttled in the Jamboaye River. And in November 1657 Paige's own cousin was suing him, Thomson and Canham in the Admiralty Court to recover the value of the ship and freight due. (fn. 108)

Fn. 108 = H.C.A. 13/72, exam. of John Edwards, 13 Nov. 1657, 24/113/58."^[3]

Sources

Primary sources

HCA=

HCA 15/6 Box One. Charterparty, dated November 7th 1654, Unfoliated. 1. John Paige and Richard Ely of Plymouth merchants partowners of the Golden Cocke of Plymouth, Richard Chappell Master; 2. Thomas Canham, John Paige and Maurice Thompson of London Merchants. To go to such places within and without the Streights from the Port of London, starting at Gravesend"===HCA====

HCA 15/6 Box One. Charterparty, dated November 7th 1654, Unfoliated. 1. John Paige and Richard Ely of Plymouth merchants partowners of the Golden Cocke of Plymouth, Richard Chappell Master; 2. Thomas Canham, John Paige and Maurice Thompson of London Merchants. To go to such places within and without the Streights from the Port of London, starting at Gravesend" cannot be used as a page name in this wiki.

Non-HCA

Thomas Canham

TNA

ADM 106/315/68 W. Bodham, Clerk to Woolwich Ropeyard. Receipt of letter and he gives an account of hemp not yet delivered by Richard Hutchinson, Mr. Nutt & Mr. Trench, Joseph Martin, Jo. Wanderhove, Thomas Canham and Mr. Martin. 1675 Jan 29
ADM 106/332/3 Navy Board: Records. IN-LETTERS. Miscellaneous. Thomas Canham. Peter Dam, Shoemaker, pressed on board the Reserve, is a Stranger who is not naturalized. 03 June 1678

C 3/325/95 Short title: Shuker v Canham. Plaintiffs: Henry Shuker . Defendants: Thomas Canham . Subject: money matters, Suffolk . Document type: [pleadings]. 1621
C 3/429/23 Short title: Shuker v Canham. Plaintiffs: Humphrey Shuker. Defendants: Thomas Canham, Frances Canham his wife and others. Subject: tenement etc (not specified)in Suffolk. Document type: bill only. 1642

C 5/82/92 Short title: Datcheler v Canham. Plaintiffs: Mary Datcheler widow. Defendants: Thomas Canham, Ambrose Canham and John Canham. Subject: money matters, Surrey. Document type: bill, answer. SFP. 1686
C 5/83/9 Short title: Datcheler v Canham. Plaintiffs: Mary Datcheler widow. Defendants: Thomas Canham and others. Subject: property in Southwark, Surrey. Document type: bill only. SFP. 1687

C 6/142/35 Short title: Canham v Margetts. Plaintiffs: Thomas Canham . Defendants: George Margetts . Subject: money matters, Middlesex. Document type: bill, answer. 1659
C 6/162/104 Short title: Jackson v Canham. Plaintiffs: Thomas Jackson. Defendants: Thomas Canham and Mary Canham his wife. Subject: will of the deceased Thomas Stead, of Middlesex. Document type: bill, answer. 1663
C 6/245/47 Short title: Canham v Waterman. Plaintiffs: Thomas Canham . Defendants: Sir George Waterman kt. Subject: money matters. Document type: replication. 1683
C 6/325/41 Short title: Canham v Hamond. Plaintiffs: Thomas Canham, Samuel Warner and Katherine Warner his wife. Defendants: Thomas Hamond. Subject: marriage settlement, and lands in Great Waldingfield, Edwardstone, and Groton, Suffolk. Document type: bill, answer. 1693
C 6/521/216 Short title: Canham v [unknown]. First plaintiff: Thomas Canham. Defendants: [unknown]. Document type: bill only. Brief description taken from an 18th century listing. 1691

PROB 11/185/161 Will of Thomas Canham, Gentleman of Thetford, Norfolk. 06 February 1641

PROB 11/433/325 Will of Thomas Canham, Merchant of London. 05 August 1696

[1] G. F. Steckley (ed.), 'Letters: 1651', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. 31-57, viewed 22/05/13

[2] G. F. Steckley (ed.), 'Letters: 1653', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. 82-99, viewed 22/05/13

[3] G. F. Steckley (ed.), 'Introduction', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. IX-XXXIX, viewed 22/05/13

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 |People=<u>Thomas Canham</u>
+* Thomas Canham had a commercial relationship from at least as early as 1651
+- "'''48.''' [John Paige] to William Clerke
+'''28 Sept. 1651'''
+… May please to take notice that I have disposed of 6 chests of your indigos unto '''Mr Thomas Canham''' at 4s 8d per lb, to pay at 6 months' time. And after the bargain was made, I found him inclining to recant, saying that Antonio Fernandez [Carvajal] sold at 4s 2d per lb, which was very true, insomuch that I was fain to take half with him rather than to have them turned down upon my hands. We sent them for Lisbon where they were sold very well, as it happened, 750 réis per lb. There remains yet 8 chests in cellar and one chest campechena grain. As for your lignum rhodium, I cannot dispose of one t for money nor upon truck, insomuch that I doubt warehouse room will eat out the principal. Besides, it dries very much. I would willingly dispose of it upon any reasonable terms. Those chests indigo which remain unsold are the best of all the parcels. I proffered them at 4s 2d per lb garbled but cannot get above 4s per lb and at time [i.e. to be paid for later]. So that now I am resolved to keep them until I hear from you again because for future when you send me any goods, pray give me such order as that I may send them to any place where I shall think most convenient for your most advantage, if you can repose so much confidence in me. If you think it convenient, I will send them for Lisbon for your account. Of this, pray 2 words per first opportunity."<ref>[http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=63985 G. F. Steckley  (ed.), 'Letters: 1651', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. 31-57], viewed 22/05/13</ref>
+- "'''66.''' [John Paige] to William Clerke
+'''4 Jan. 1653'''
+a. My last unto you was per Capt. Harwood [the Agreement] of 15 Nov., to which crave reference. Since, I have received yours of 22 Oct. per the Turned-out frigate. I have paid up Shorton £10 for account of Diego Benitez per your bill of exchange. I here send you the apothecary's bill by which you may see what those medicines amount unto, as also I send you the account of what Don Carlos' coach cost here first penny. You may charge him with freight, insurance and my commission. I hope it will be little inferior to the [Capt.] General's coach which cost £50 more. It hath cost me no small trouble to have all things exact according to order. I have bought you a large carpet which shall send over per first.
+I should be very glad to hear that you had bought up a round quantity of wines as you writ me would do suddenly after Mr Straw's [the Turnedout's] dispatch, which, if you had given me advice thereof per Mr Webber [the Blessing], I would have adventured to charge you with some tonnage in this ship [the Golden Star, Capt. John Holman]. But not knowing your mind makes me forbear doing it. I have taken 80 ts in this ship to carry away a parcel of rye which I bought in Plymouth about 3 months since. Mr Rowland Wilson hath 70 ts and '''Mr Canham''' 40 ts. Now in case the ship carry any more than abovesaid tonnage, then my father-in-law hath privilege to load it. I have written him 2 words to that purpose that he spare you room for 20 or 30 pipes if possible he can, for I know this ship is 220 ts. Of this I thought good to give you a hint by reason there is now an opportunity to get money by wines which there may not be another year. I hope you have reserved some of the Duraxno wines to send home for your account.<ref>[http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=63987 G. F. Steckley  (ed.), 'Letters: 1653', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. 82-99], viewed 22/05/13</ref>
+* Thomas Canham's venture with Maurice Thompson and John Page in the East Indies
+- "His first endeavours as a merchant to the East were less successful. In September 1654 he had signed Maurice Thomson's petition which called for a freer Eastern trade in which individuals might send private adventures independent of the Company. Then he joined Thomson and '''Thomas Canham''' in such a voyage. They hired the Golden Cock, a ship of 85 tons owned by Richard Ely and Paige's cousin John Paige of Plymouth, and set her out in November for Bantam. The ship stopped at Tenerife for the vintage and had delivered wines safely to Bantam by August 1655. There she was freighted by the Company to carry pepper from Sumatra to Bantam, but in October 1656 was leaking so badly from worm damage that she was scuttled in the Jamboaye River. And in November 1657 Paige's own cousin was suing him, Thomson and Canham in the Admiralty Court to recover the value of the ship and freight due. (fn. 108)
+Fn. 108 = H.C.A. 13/72, exam. of John Edwards, 13 Nov. 1657, 24/113/58."<ref>[http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=63981 G. F. Steckley (ed.), 'Introduction', The letters of John Paige, London merchant, 1648-58: London Record Society 21 (1984), pp. IX-XXXIX], viewed 22/05/13</ref>
 |Primary sources=====HCA====

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