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Port or place of Berghen in Norway and thence to returne to London in and upon which Voiage this
examinate was entertained to serve in and aboard the said shipp in
the quality of Shipps Carpenter aforesaid, and thereby is confident
and assured of the trueth of the premisses by him predeposed/

To the third Interrogatorie hee saith, That about three weekes since
as aforesaid, there were severall goods wares and merchandises
putt and laden in and aboard the said shipp in the River of
Thames by or on the behalfe of the said John Shorter, consisting
in a quantity of salt, some woollen cloath, a quantity of malt,
some hogsheads of strong beere, a quantitie of pease, some Castor hatts in a
deepe Chest, fower baggs or thereabouts of nailes, five baggs
of hopps, the Lading of which goods and merchandizes on board
the said shipp this deponent saw, and was assistant therein in the
quality of shipps Carpenter aforesaid, and then constantly and
credibly heard and verily beleeveth, that the said severall goods
wares and merchandises were soe laden in and on board the
said shipp for the proper accompt and adventure of him the said
John Shorter to the end and intent to be transported in the
said shipp from this Port of London to Berghen aforesaid
and there to be unladen and disposed of to and for the proper
accompt of him the said John Shorter, as hee severall times
declared and affirmed att and about the time of the Lading thereof
at which hee the said John Shorter was frequently present in
person, and soe much Paul Backman aforesaid then Master
of the said shipp did alsoe at severall times at and about the
time of the said Lading publiquely declare and affirme in the
hearing of this rendent and of the said shipps Companie. And
further to this Interrogatorie hee saith not./

To the fowerth Interrogatorie hee saith, That shortly after the Lading
of the said goods wares and merchandises, and particularly about
three saies after, as hee now remembreth, the said shipp did sett
saile with the same from the said Port of London for Berghen
aforesaid. Which hee knoweth for and upon the reason of
knowledge by him predeposed. And further saith not

To the fifth Interrogatorie hee saith, That the said shipp the Charit[y GUTTER]
with her said lading of goods wares and Merchandises on
board her being in order to her intended Course for Berghen
betweene Gravesend and Tilbury hope, was surprized and
seized by force by certaine men on board a
small shipp or Vessell, who gave out and declared, That one
Garnett was their Captaine or Commander and that they did
soe seize the said shipp and her Lading by Vertue of a
Commission from the King of Sweden against the king of
denmarke and against his Subjects and their shipps and
(goods

Topics

People

John Shorter

John (later, Sir John) Shorter (b. ?, d. ca. 1688), London merchant. William Warren and John Shorter had a commercial relationship since at least as early as 1661.

Sources

Primary sources

Hearth Tax

Duchy of Lancaster Liberty (Savoy & Somerset)

The Dutchy Lyberty in the Strand pt in ye Parrish of St Mary Savoy & pt in St Clements Danes./ Temple Barr Ward.

John Shorter 8 hearths

Secondary sources

[[Secondary sources::Oxford University, Bodleian Library, Special Collections and Western Manuscripts

Oxford University, Bodleian Library, Special Collections and Western Manuscripts: Carte Papers [MS. Carte 53 - MS. Carte 63: Papers (chiefly copies) of the 1st duke of Ormonde, relating to the public affairs of Ireland, chiefly 1662-1690 but some earlier MS. Carte 60 17th-18th cent.:]
- The Case of Sir John Shorter and others, against Thomas Tyte[?] and others, Commissioners appointed by the King for distributing the £35,000, paid by the Hamburghers [in compensation for the loss of certain ships belonging to British subjects]: written from [Whitehall] MS. Carte 60, fol(s). 242 28 June 1676]]

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Additional Sources

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TNA

ADM

ADM 106/291 Folio 371. Sir William Warren, John Shorter. Notes on his contract and concerning timber sent to Portsmouth. 1673 Dec. 8 Wapping

HCA

HCA 13/129, no folio no., recto (Signatures of John Shorter, XXXX, and William Warren)

PROB

PROB 11/392 Exton 87-130 Will of Sir John Shorter, Lord Mayor of the City of London 19 September 1688

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State Papers

"Sept. 30th 1661. Petition from Sir William Warren, Kt., Vincent Delabarr and John Shorter, merchants, for discharge of the ship "Joseph," of London, seized under the Navigation Act. Referred: to the Customs Commissioners. (Ibid. IX. p. 95.)" (William A. Shaw (ed.), 'Minute Book: September 1661', Calendar of Treasury Books, Volume 1: 1660-1667 (1904), pp. 158-161, viewed 10/04/12)

Replication of Sir John Shorter and others, owners concerned in the 4 ships taken and destroyed by the Dutch in the Elbe, to the answer of Sir William Holcroft, Thomas Tyte, Thomas Farrington and Edward Deering. They believe Sir W. Holcroft, Sir Philip Lloyd and Mr. Thomson have acted only as commissioners and not as proprietors, and it is likewise confessed that Tyte, Dering, Farrington and Bancks were interested in the said loss and Bancks is a petitioner with Sir J. Shorter. But the repliants deny that the four respondents have signed all just warrants, and say that, instead of reserving the sums allotted to the just claimants, they have assumed a power to give large sums as particular gratuities, viz., 500l. to the said Tyte and 250l. to Samuel Missenden, and they deny that they say in their petition that the Judge of the Admiralty had allowed 1,340l. 9s. 4d., whereas they do apply that sum to the order and instructions of his Majesty in Council, ordering that as to the freight provision should be made for the satisfaction thereof in such moderate proportion as may all come within the said sum. As to the error pretended in the account, though the repliants have no reason to apprehend there was one, they take themselves not to be concerned therein, being only owners of the ships, and their sum of 1,340l. 9s. 4d. being particularly mentioned to be distributed for the freights with equality to each owner. As to their pretending no interest or satisfaction for loss of market is considered to them, the repliants would think it very happy for their loss to receive but one-third of their principal freight, whereas all other interessants have received their full satisfaction, which had the repliants received, they had received a great deal more than the sums allotted them. Whereas they pretend the ships never performed their voyage, and therefore would debar them of their freight, the repliants cannot imagine they should be so unreasonable as to let the repliants be losers of that little freight allowed, they having received all their demands in full.

The repliants therefore again beg his Majesty to reinforce his instructions for their relief in the payment of the said 1,340l. 9s. 4d. so due to them for freight, and that a day may be appointed for them to be heard and relieved. [Ibid. No. 16.]"