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To the 9th and 10th hee cannot depose for hee came not aboard [XXX] the shipp but came from
Milford haven by land to london about twenty dayes after the said shipps coming
[?in ?thether], at which time hee left the said shipp and all the said goods in her there
To the 11th hee saith that the said goods were all truely and really procured
for and were the proceed of the outwards cargo of the said producents, and
laded for their account, which hee knoweth for the reasons aforesaid And
further deposeth not.
To the 12th hee saith hee knoweth all the parties arlate by sight having
seene them since his comming to this towne, and saith they are
accounted marchants and Inhabitants of this citie. And further hee cannot depose.
To the 13th hee saith the said John Tilly is commonly reputed an
Irishman, and liveth at Amsterdam as a marchant stranger, and
further hee cannot depose.
To the 14th hee saith the arlate Chanter[?n]ell dwells in and is a marchant
of Amsterdam and for such commonly accounted. And further cannot
To the 15th hee saith that the said John Lopez his giving out in the West Indias that the shipp
and goods were belonging to him, was meerly to obtaine
license to trade and to preserve them from seizure and confiscation,
which would have befallen them if they had bin knowne to be belonging
to English and Amsterdammers. And saith hee this examinate was
acquainted with such the said John Lopez his [XXXing] of that matter
pretending the said proprietie, and that it was meerly for the reason
aforesaid. And referreth himselfe to his foregoing deposition.
To the 16th hee cannot depose.
To the 17th hee cannot depose.
To the 18 and 19 hee saith that the arlate Simon To[?u]son Bleau at Comana
came aboard the said shipp poore ragged and almost starved with
hunger and bitten with moskito's and besought the said John Lopez
for Gods sake to have compassion [?at] [XXX] and to take him aboard and
relieve him saying hee would doe what hee was able to serve him aboard,
whereupon the said John Lopez in [?meere] pitie received him, who
quickly proved a lewd idle unruly quarreling boy, addicted
extreamely to lying and stealing, and threatened to kill severall
of the company, and being reproved for such his debaucheri[?a] and
somtime corrected, and fearing to be further punished if hee staid in
the shipp, hee at Milford haven went ashore and left the said shipp alltogether
and in his going threatened to kill this deponent and another Spaniard
that belonged to the shipp, and as hee heard other of the company say, the
said Touson soe going away threatened to informe and pretend
ashore as if the shipp and goods were belonging to Spaniards
but ghis deponent did not heare him, And otherwise hee cannot depose
saving the saud Touson is soe lewd and slight a fellow and
soe devoid of conscience and pietie, that hee is not to be credited
upon his oath nor fit to be a witnes in any busines. And further
hee cannot depose.
To the 20th hee saith that this deponent did not teare or throw over
board any papers of moment or concerning the said shipp or voyage
nor otherwise make any away, nor knoweth hee of any made away by any
other nor beleeveth that John Lopez made any away. And saith that
off Land[XX] there were two vessells espied which were suspected to
be Spanish men of warr, and further hee cannot
To the 21th hee saith that at Truxilla some officers of
shipps that came fro Saine supposing the Hope to be thether bound
gave the said John Lopez divers letters to be thether conveyed,
and the said shipp hope accidentally touching at Mata[?n]sa left them there
to be sent for Spaine, being loath to throw them over board. And
further hee cannot depose.