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To the fourteenth article hee saith that the said John Chanterwell liveth
and keepeth house and familie in Amsterdam, where this deponent hath
bin ofte at his house, and was and is commonly accounted a
subiect of the States of the United Netherlands.
To the fifteenth hee saith that the said John lopez did indeed give out
at the West Indias that the said shipp and lading belonged
to him, but did soe declare and give out (and soe hee acknowledged
and soe this deponent knoweth) mearly to get libertie of trade there
and to secure them from confiscation, for had shee bin knowne to
belong to any other than Spaniards, shee had bin in danger thereof, and
would not have bin permitted to trade; And saith they really belong to the
said Imployers the producents, and none other. yeelding a reason of
his knowledge as aforesaid.
To the 16th hee saith that from the time of this deponents aid comming
home which was on or about the eighth of January last, hee hath almost
daily frequented the Exchange, and knoweth that the b[XXX] and report hath
there gonne constantly amongst the marchants that the said ship and goods
were for the said account of the said marchants the producents, and severall
have endeavoured to get this deponent to put them in the same way
of trade, by discovering unto them the way thereof. And further hee
To the 17th hee saith hee hath knowne the said John lopez about six
yeares last, during which space hee the said John hath dwelt in and
about this citi[?a], saving when hee hath bin in voyages at sea, in which
hee hath bin imployed by severall merchants.
To the 18 and 19th hee saith that at Comana the arlate Simon To[?mson]
Bleau in a miserable poore ragged condition eaten with moskito's
almost starved came to the said shipp and saying hee was a poore dutch
boy and desired to come home for his countrey besought the said John lopez
to take compassion on him and receive him into the shipp and give him
victuall to sustaine him, and said hee would doe what worke hee was
able therefore, and requested this deponent and the said Betts to further
him therein, and soe hee was in pitty received, but after a while
hee appeared to be a very lewd lying, pilfering idle fellow, given to
drawing of his knife and quarralling and threatened and endeavoured
to stab some of the company, for which his lewdnes hee being somtimes
corrected and drubd, bore greate spleen against them that corrected him,
being especially the Spaniards aboard, and when the shipp was soe come
to Milford haven hee threatened to be revenged, and amongst other
threates swore hee would informe that the shipp and goods belonged to
Spaniards, though the divell should fetch him for it, and saith
hee this examinate heard him soe say and threaten, and that hee would
doe them all the mischeife hee could or to that effect.
To the 20th hee saith hee doth not know nor beleeve that the said John
lopez did teare, throw over board or make away any of the shipps
papers, nor would hee soe to doe in regard of an English, being in
the service of such subiects and friends of this commonwealth, but
hee and this deponent and the rest were fearfull of meeting with Spanish
vessells, and shipping [XXX] off London, they much suspected them to bee
such, and apprehended much danger from them in that regard. And
further hee cannot depose.
To the 21th hee saith that the said John lopez receiveing some letters at
Truxillo from a shipps company (that came from Cadiz and supposed
that the Hope was thither bound) to be thether conveyed, upon the Hopes
touching at Matousa in her retourne, left them there to be thense
conveyed, being loath to throw them over board, and beleeveth they did not
at all mention or concerne the hope or her lading.